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Posted 7 Months ago
David McCormack
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Did you guys see the footage of those 3 wounded guys crawling out of a partially burning armored vehicle? Was that a tank? A self-propelled howitzer? Maybe a Bradley?

If it was a tank, how the hell did the Iraqis manage to attack it successfuly and hurt the guys inside? Did they leave the turret hatch open or what?

I though tanks are invulnerable to those crappy RPGs the Iraqis have.
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Posted 7 Months ago
banksy
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Are you possibly referring to http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/08/iraq.intl/ ? If so, it appears to be a tank of the M1 family. Without seeing more, I can't identify if it's an M1, M1A1, or M1A2. Likely, it's a M1A1 but I can't be 100% sure. The Marines tend not to get top-of-the-line vehicles, and instead seem to get a bunch of hand-me-downs from the Army.

The thickest part of a tanks armor is the frontal slope (it's designed to resist enemy tank fire). Anywhere else is vulnerable to varying degrees.

An RPG-7 is designed to punch through 12-14 inches of armor plate. The type of armor on the front slope of the hull and the turret of an M1 series tank will resist such an explosion, but enough will eventually hurt.

Anywhere else, the armor's not terribly thick. The roof of the turret and on top the drivers' hole are only a few inches thick. The sides are similarly thin, but thicker than the roof. The rear of the tank is also particularly vulnerable, considering it has to have the exhaust exposed (it has armored slats so bullets cannot enter the engine, but an RPG-7 would go through it without much trouble). Additionally, the composition of the armor in areas not generally subject to enemy tank fire (i.e. places other than the front slope of the hull and turret) is not as advanced (and thus much lighter). It tends not to contain the Chobham armor

M1 series tanks can be, but are generally not, equipped with explosive-reactive armor which can defeat RPG-7s not equipped with the PG-7VR tandem-warhead designed specifically for the purpose of punching through reactive armor. Thus, it's just a lot of steel, ceramic, and depleted uranium between the RPG and the rocket.

Also, being struck by any kind of projectile larger than small-arms is likely going to piss off the crew of a tank. Explosives are particularly annoying, and the concussion can injure/toss about the crew (there are no seatbelts and lots of hard pointy bits inside). Hitting a vulnerable area like the engine, fuel tanks, ammo storage, etc. would likely disable a tank, but not cause a catastrophic explosion. Still, such a hit would likely require immediate evacuation of the vehicle.

The RPG-7 is a surprisingly well-designed weapon, much like the AK-47. It's simple, inexpensive, rugged, and reliable. It can operate under harsh conditions, and requires minimal training and knowledge to operate it. It has an advanced shaped-charge warhead designed for penetrating modern armor plate, and the PG-7VR warhead can defeat reactive armor. For being so simple, it's amazingly advanced.

See http://www.g2mil.com/RPG.htm for more information.

One thing I've learned in the army (as a tanker, no less) is to never underestimate your enemies. Contrary to popular belief, the Iraqi's are not ignorant savages, and the weapons they are equipped with are quite powerful and designed for the climate and terrain they're used in. Their fighters are remarkably dedicated to their cause. A minimally trained squad-sized element of Iraqi fighters armed with AK-47's and RPG-7's can cause a substantial amount of damage.

For more information about the tank, see http://people.howstuffworks.com/m1-tank.htm (yes, it's substantially simplified, but still quite accurate).

Hope this helps.
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Posted 7 Months ago
Linda2
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Probably. You should have the seen the tape they played on CNN all day today. Amazing, and very gruesome. 3 bloody guys crawling out one after the other, and one of them falling on his face after getting out half way out of the hatch.

And Yes, I realize now it was a tank.

Thanks, that was very interesting. My opinion of tanks has been seriously
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Posted 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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Ouch.

Cool.

As a tanker, I'm still highly impressed by the M1-family of tanks. The only tanks that come close (or in some specific areas, exceed) to the abilities of the M1 are the German Leopard 2 and the British Challenger 2. I'm not familiar with the Russian T-90, but I hear it's impressive.

The battle between warhead and armor is a constant one
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Posted 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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I would have to take my chances with just the tank... Could not bring myself to screw up the lines of a fine ride with a wrap around bug screen....
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Posted 6 Months, 4 Weeks ago
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*laughs* Lines or no lines, if it stops you from getting shot at, I'm all for it.
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